Social Justice with Sana-chan

Currently losing weight. If being fat was accepted I might not have. Fat shaming is neccessary tbh.

1 hour ago, ExtraMana said:

Currently losing weight. If being fat was accepted I might not have. Fat shaming is neccessary tbh.

I find this thread very disheartening and this comment very offensive and dumb. Any type of bullying is wrong and people like you who think it's okay to shame someone are sick in the damned head. You want to be thinner? Fine. But don't think you have the right to say something so stupid. Not everyone is going to be a thin person. People have different builds, height etc. Yes, I don't think it's healthy to be obese and losing weight is important, but many aren't going to be thin. I have plenty of friends who are chubby and are in a healthy state and are beautiful. 

12 hours ago, dfbreezy said:

Hmm.. i think i'm beginning to understand you a little bit better @anoyoruniyakusokushita. And because i can understand your view a tad better, i can properly tailor my response this time.

Terribly sorry for the comparison, but how do you feel when you look at something... unappealing? There's that internal cringe, and the sub-conscious attempt to look away. That is the same as looking at the obese.

Like i said, The Obese are veritably beautiful internally. But externally they don't appeal to others. It is a human perception that is inborn. it is not acquired. That is why young kids look at fat people and point at them, sometimes saying nasty things. Their parents didn't consciously raise them to insult fat people. Neither did they miss out on the fat in cartoons like chowder. 

But on viewing a fat person, their mind instantly recognizes, that this is not how a human is supposed to be. As such, their embarrassing comments or reactions.

Society only plays a part as they grow up and become more accustomed to social relations. that's when the teasing begins among peers. That is when society is the culprit. 

Unfortunately, like you said, the perception of beauty is subjective. However, according to Pluto (or was it Aristotle?) beauty itself is objective in the world of forms while our subjective perception defines that beauty.

So given the psychology i have stated above, obese is not beautiful externally. And as such, a vast majority would agree with me. It is as unfortunate as humanity's innate warring nature. these are things that cannot be changed at the core without a catalyst or miracle.

Also i think it's be advisable to stop comparing the woes of the obese to the woes of the black. The two are NOT the same please. As someone who is black and has been obese i can say that with certainty. Please try to avoid using such a comparison since the margin is rather wide, and maybe utilize a comparison which is much more... compact.

You lack empathy. I'm sorry but it's true. Just like Extra Mana I find what you say to be very toxic. Please don't assume something for the whole world just cause of your experience. I find that many thin people can be really ugly and bigger people beautiful. I'm not saying we need to promote being obese, but we need to promote different body builds that are healthy. And guess what, their are chubby people who are a good healthy size and still beautiful. 

Honestly I'm not surprised to be seeing this from the anime community. Still I'm sad to see comments like this from this guy and Extra Mana. Just proves how toxic and close minded people are. People like you guys who say such horrid things no little about empathy or or have never had it in the first place.  

12 hours ago, dfbreezy said:

It is a human perception that is inborn. it is not acquired. That is why young kids look at fat people and point at them, sometimes saying nasty things. Their parents didn't consciously raise them to insult fat people. Neither did they miss out on the fat in cartoons like chowder. 

But on viewing a fat person, their mind instantly recognizes, that this is not how a human is supposed to be. As such, their embarrassing comments or reactions.

You can't prove that. You can say your opinion, which is that disliking fat people's appearences is something natural to humans, but you don't have data or proof to back you up.

It's not because parents teaxh children to insult fat kids that they do so, it's because everywhere they see fat people being portrayed as ugly, weird and stupid.

12 hours ago, dfbreezy said:

Also i think it's be advisable to stop comparing the woes of the obese to the woes of the black. The two are NOT the same please. As someone who is black and has been obese i can say that with certainty. Please try to avoid using such a comparison since the margin is rather wide, and maybe utilize a comparison which is much more... compact.

I never said they were the same. But they don't need to be for my comparisons to work. Both are oppressed social groups, so all I said about them fits.

2 hours ago, ExtraMana said:

Currently losing weight. If being fat was accepted I might not have. Fat shaming is neccessary tbh.

So society forced you to lose weight and that's fine? What if you can't do it in the end? Fat shaming is not necessary, it's wrong.

11 minutes ago, *anoyoruniyakusokushita said:

So society forced you to lose weight and that's fine? What if you can't do it in the end?

Then get ready to die of a heart attack age 40, controlling people's thoughts is far worse a grievance than simply expressing what we all know about health.

18 minutes ago, infel said:

You lack empathy. I'm sorry but it's true. Just like Extra Mana I find what you say to be very toxic. Please don't assume something for the whole world just cause of your experience. I find that many thin people can be really ugly and bigger people beautiful. I'm not saying we need to promote being obese, but we need to promote different body builds that are healthy. And guess what, their are chubby people who are a good healthy size and still beautiful. 

Honestly I'm not surprised to be seeing this from the anime community. Still I'm sad to see comments like this from this guy and Extra Mana. Just proves how toxic and close minded people are. People like you guys who say such horrid things no little about empathy or or have never had it in the first place.  

Those white cis males are pretty toxic amiright? Because moral relativism doesn't exist and we aren't allowed to have opinions that go against yours regardless of their merit.

 

 

 

24 minutes ago, ExtraMana said:

Those white cis males are pretty toxic amiright? Because moral relativism doesn't exist and we aren't allowed to have opinions that go against yours regardless of their merit.

 

 

 

You can have your own opinion, but saying such a terrible thing to me and people who have empathy is terrible. It's sick actually. No type of bullying is right. As someone who has been bullying for many years for many different reasons, I know from experience that people like you are what make it worse. Even if I disliked something I would never encourage others to attack people who may like it or act a way I don't like. Bullying is never good no matter what form and proof of that is when people commit suicide due to being attacked or hurt all the time. 

So please, don't use this same phrase. I've seen many similar things before. I'm not going to argue about it with you cause it'll go nowhere. I just believe anyone who thinks bullying another is okay is sick.

Great thing that people are debating on this topic, but if I let you guys keep discussing the way things are, the moderators will probably remove my post. Post locked.