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I thought you were already aware of it. Last minori-rant-post you complained a lot about the protagonists and how they're all the same.

Reading this got me even more curious to play Tsuminohi (how difficult is it?), as I am a stupid adolescent myself.

Minori manages to create stuff well. Then the characters act out of character for the sake of drama. For me this utterly destroying the immersion. Ef does this as well ass Eden to some degree.. And it infuriates me. It's like some shitty drama made in hollywood inserted at times when stuff starts to get too predictable.

2 hours ago, starlessn1ght said:

I thought you were already aware of it. Last minori-rant-post you complained a lot about the protagonists and how they're all the same.

Reading this got me even more curious to play Tsuminohi (how difficult is it?), as I am a stupid adolescent myself.

It isn't that hard... no more than your average charage, ranging from 4-7.  In my last post, my thoughts on the matter weren't nearly this specific, and I wasn't able to consider them objectively. 

1 hour ago, Bolverk said:

Minori manages to create stuff well. Then the characters act out of character for the sake of drama. For me this utterly destroying the immersion. Ef does this as well ass Eden to some degree.. And it infuriates me. It's like some shitty drama made in hollywood inserted at times when stuff starts to get too predictable.

Mmm... to be honest, 'predictability' is a low-level annoyance for me, when it comes down to it.  Maybe three VNs in a given year will manage to surprise me in any significant way (meaning me not seeing the direction things are going in well in advance).  For me, immersion in any slice-of-life focus game is hard, because I've played so many, and there just aren't that many good protag/heroine combos out there.

Edit: To clarify, I might miss details, but I rarely miss when it comes to predicting the basic flow of a story.  Last year, the VNs that surprised me the most in that way were Sakura no Uta and Sorcery Jokers, mostly because of their unconventional story structures... but that isn't necessarily a good thing in some cases.

On 3/13/2016 at 9:03 PM, Clephas said:

It isn't that hard... no more than your average charage, ranging from 4-7. 

Is that like... Tsukiyori-hard? Or less?

For the most part, it isn't really hard at all, since there aren't a lot of technical terms, but they use some manners of written expression that aren't common in most VNs, so at times the difficulty will spike sharply for people not accustomed to reading Japanese literature.

3 hours ago, Bolverk said:

Minori manages to create stuff well. Then the characters act out of character for the sake of drama. For me this utterly destroying the immersion. Ef does this as well ass Eden to some degree.. And it infuriates me. It's like some shitty drama made in hollywood inserted at times when stuff starts to get too predictable.

This feels like a different problem than what Clephas' is describing.  The one stated here is an issue with the plot interfering with the characters, where the themes and direction of the story's intentions take priority over the motivations of the characters.  There's obviously a balance to be struck but if the reader can pick up on it (Either what you're describing or the other extreme of 'What's the point?' because they're so preoccupied with characters the plot loses coherency) there's obviously a flaw.

 

As a writer though I can't actually tell how to use Clephas' comment about Minori games in a meaningful way.  How would one work to improve upon this problem, I suppose?

I'm really enjoying this vn so far probably the only one that was released recently that I actually like.

I don't share your point of view regarding the protagonists in general, I hate Shuuichi he is a piece of shit, but that's it. I actually think that Renji is one of the best male characters out there without being in chuuni vn, just acting like a normal human being in a hard circumstance he behaves like a fucking bad-ass not like your average teenage boy and you don't see that very often in vns.

49 minutes ago, Deep Blue said:

I'm really enjoying this vn so far probably the only one that was released recently that I actually like.

I don't share your point of view regarding the protagonists in general, I hate Shuuichi he is a piece of shit, but that's it. I actually think that Renji is one of the best male characters out there without being in chuuni vn, just acting like a normal human being in a hard circumstance he behaves like a fucking bad-ass not like your average teenage boy and you don't see that very often in vns.

 

1 hour ago, Zodai said:

This feels like a different problem than what Clephas' is describing.  The one stated here is an issue with the plot interfering with the characters, where the themes and direction of the story's intentions take priority over the motivations of the characters.  There's obviously a balance to be struck but if the reader can pick up on it (Either what you're describing or the other extreme of 'What's the point?' because they're so preoccupied with characters the plot loses coherency) there's obviously a flaw.

 

As a writer though I can't actually tell how to use Clephas' comment about Minori games in a meaningful way.  How would one work to improve upon this problem, I suppose?

@Zodaiand @Deep BlueIn general, I just needed to get it out of my system to be able to properly read the VN...  I don't mean it as an insult but rather a statement of personal bias.  I had to do the same thing last year with Soreyori, and I try to do something similar whenever I run across a company or VN that seriously hits my sensitive areas.

I only remember Minori's first games (mainly はるのあしおと and Wind) and although they can't really compete with any of their modern games, I still consider them all round better (perhaps because they fit their time and age they were created in). That aside, Minori is just like every other company out there; the only difference is they have the budget (unlike other companies, which mostly struggle financially) and that allows them to develop eroge with slightly higher quality ("better" writers, OP/ED's by Makoto Shinkai, good composers etc); that's just the icing on a cake, though; one which is usually made from very bland ingridients and doesn't stand out in terms of taste from other titles out on the market.

Everyone is playing it safe.

On 3/16/2016 at 7:56 AM, Narcosis said:

That aside, Minori is just like every other company out there; the only difference is they have the budget (unlike other companies, which mostly struggle financially)

Weren't they near bankrupt a couple of years ago? Yeah, Perseus did save them, but their sales aren't that big compared to stuff like Yuzusoft, Clochette, August and even ensemble.