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Playing through Never7 after going through Ever17 and Remember11 made me come up with a theory that i don't even know if the author had in mind when he first wrote Never7: what if a being from either the 4th or 0th dimensions had the protagonist and his girl of choice go back in time to save them? With the interference in the two other games, if wouldn't be that surprising.

Coming up with this theory led me to even more thinking, because those interferences can lead up to a interesting timeline, like so:

Remember11 (2011 in game): Humans go up against 0th dimension being to get rid of his influence on the world.
Ever17 (2017-2034 in game): Humans cooperate with 4th dimension being to save their friends.
Never7 (2019 in game): 0/4th dimension being helps humans from afar.

That way, we have a timeline where beings beyond this dimension went from being in opposition with humans to being friends with them and helping them when needed. However, time might not flow that way for them, and if you change the timeline to the release date of the games, things get a little more somber:

Never7: 0/4th dimension being helps humans from afar.
Ever17: 4th dimension being interacts with humans for the first time, even being friends with them.
Remember11: 0th dimension being accidentally makes the lives of the humans worse, leading to backlash via infinite loop trap.

That way, we have a timeline where beings beyond this dimension went from watching humans from afar, helping them at random, to being friends with them, to becoming their enemy by accident.

Overall, it's pretty interesting how you can come up with stuff like this because of how the world works in that trilogy.


(making it a blog post because i don't think this would get any activity as a thread)

I think this time period from 2011 to 2016 might have been the "golden age" of otome games because those were the years where a lot of the most notable otomeges were released. Just looking at high-rated otomes on VNDB:

2011: Amnesia Memories, Shinigami to Shoujo, Chou no Doku Hana no Kusari, Arcana Famiglia
2012: Black Wolves Saga (both parts), Dandelion, Koezaru wa Akai Hana, Cinders
2013: Ken ga Kimi, Nameless, Norn9, Arcana Famiglia 2, Getsuei no Kusari (and fandisc)
2014: Code Realize, Ayakashi Gohan
2015: Taishou x Alice, Psychedelica of the Black Butterfly, Re Birthday Song, Yoshiwara Higanbana
2016: Collar x Malice, Mystic Messenger, Nightshade, Psychedelica of the Ashen Hawk, Code Realize Future Blessings

I can only attest to the quality of a few of these VNs but for those that are more into this genre, i would like to raise this discussion.


Random top 100

As a personal commemoration for reaching 200 VNDB votes, i'm posting my current top 100 for posterity's sake. Not a be-all-end-all list by any means and i care about choice-making gameplay a lot more than other VN fans do, so if some of my placements look ridiculous, that's why.

100) Divi-Dead (good atmosphere, favorite single plot twist)
99) Yume Miru Kusuri (good characters and story)
98) VA-11 HALL-A (good characters and atmosphere)
97) Togainu no Chi (good atmosphere and common route)
96) Snatcher (entertaining story, good atmosphere and finale)
95) Banshee’s Last Cry (great choice-making, favorite starter in the genre)
94) Hotel Dusk: Room 215 (good art, good mystery-solving, good finale)
93) Phoenix Wright: Justice for All (good mystery-solving, great finale)
92) The Labyrinth of Grisaia (entertaining characters, great true route)
91) Gensou Suikogaiden vol.1&2 (good choice-making system)
90) Ar Tonelico (good story and characters, good finale)
89) Battle Goddess Memoria (great RPG gameplay, good villain)
88) MajiKoi S (entertaining characters)
87) Funbag Fantasy (entertaining story and characters, favorite overall art)
86) PCB for Busy Person + Extra (entertaining characters and endings)
85) Hakuouki (good atmosphere and story)
84) Apollo Justice: Ace Attorney (good story and mystery-solving, good finale)
83) Phoenix Wright: Trials and Tribulations (good characters and mystery-solving, good finale)
82) Tokyo Babel (good characters and fight scenes)
81) Never7 (good story and atmosphere)
80) Katahane [one route done] (charming characters and story)
79) Himawari The Sunflower (good overall story, great side content)
78) Ace Attorney Investigations 2 (good story, favorite mystery-solving)
77) Amagami [three routes done] (favorite dating sim gameplay, entertaining characters)
76) Zanmataisei Demonbane [one route done] (entertaining story and characters)
75) Utawarerumono: Mask of Deception (entertaining characters, good finale)
74) Lamento Beyond the Void (great atmosphere and art, great endings)
73) EoSD for Busy Person + Extra (entertaining characters and endings)
72) Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney (great characters, good mystery-solving and story)
71) Comyu (good story, entertaining fight scenes)
70) Ar Tonelico II (good characters, great story and soundtrack)
69) Danganronpa 2 (entertaining characters, good mystery-solving, good finale)
68) Danganronpa V3 (entertaining characters, great mystery-solving, good finale)
67) MajiKoi A1&A2 (entertaining characters and story)
66) Eve: Burst Error (entertaining story, great female protagonist)
65) Dangan Ronpa (entertaining characters, great story, great finale)
64) ChuSinGura 46+1 (entertaining characters, great fight scenes)
63) Utawarerumono: Mask of Truth (good story and characters, amazing finale)
62) Kikokugai The Cyber Slayer (great atmosphere, good fight scenes)
61) Higanbana no Saku Yoru ni + 2nd night (great characters, entertaining story)
60) Flowers: Printemps Volume (great art, charming characters, good use of mystery-solving)
59) Eden* (good story and art)
58) Utawarerumono (entertaining characters, good story)
57) Shikkoku no Sharnoth (good protagonist, great atmosphere, great finale)
56) Rance VI (entertaining characters, good story)
55) Air (good story and characters, good soundtrack)
54) The Letter (favorite branch system for a linear story)
53) Symphonic Rain [one route done] (charming art and soundtrack, good at subverting expectations)
52) Remember11 (good characters, great ending system)
51) Narcissu (great story and ending)
50) Battle Goddess Verita [one route done] (good story, great RPG gameplay)
49) Collar x Malice (entertaining story, great set of villains)
48) Chaos;Head (entertaining characters and choice-making, great plot twist)
47) Ourai no Gahkthun (good atmosphere and characters)
46) Monster Girl Quest 1,2&3 (amazing gameplay, good story and characters)
45) Fata Morgana: A Requiem for Innocence (good story and characters, amazing art)
44) Akai Ito [three routes done] (entertaining protagonist, good atmosphere, favorite OP song)
43) 11eyes (good characters, good fight scenes, great atmosphere)
42) Sekien no Inganock (great art, great atmosphere, good characters)
41) Planetarian (good pairing, great dialogue)
40) 9 Hours, 9 Persons, 9 Doors (entertaining characters, good true ending)
39) Kizuato (good characters, favorite introductory route, great set of joke endings)
38) Kira Kira [one route done] (good characters, great common route, great ending)
37) ef a fairy tale of the two (great story in the second half, good characters)
36) Chaos;Child (good choice-making system, good characters, good story)
35) Sharin no Kuni (favorite single villain, great story, great plot twist)
34) Root Double (amazing choice-making system, good true ending)
33) Virtue’s Last Reward (great ending system, great multiple route mystery)
32) Kara no Shoujo (great atmosphere)
31) Chou no Doku Hana no Kusari [one route done] (great atmosphere, great protagonist)
30) Cartagra (great art, entertaining characters, great endings)
29) Aoishiro (great choice-making, entertaining bad ending branches on some routes)
28) The Fruit of Grisaia (entertaining characters, great endings)
27) Code: Realize (amazing common route, entertaining story and characters)
26) Rose Guns Days (great story and characters, charming art)
25) Kamidori Alchemy Meister (great RPG gameplay, great New Game+ content)
24) Battle Goddess Zero (great story and characters)
23) Swan Song (amazing atmosphere, good story and characters)
22) Steins;Gate 0 (good story and characters, great use of true ending)
21) Sengoku Rance (entertaining characters, most replayable work in the genre)
20) Rewrite (entertaining characters, good story)
19) Phantom of Inferno (entertaining story and characters, great atmosphere, great action scenes)
18) Yumina The Ethereal (entertaining story, amazing use of multiple routes, great true ending)
17) Kara no Shoujo 2 (great mystery, entertaining characters, great true ending, favorite ED song)
16) G-Senjou no Maou (great true route, great soundtrack, favorite set of villains)
15) Song of Saya (favorite atmosphere, amazing use of endings)
14) Muv Luv Alternative (great action scenes, great sci-fi atmosphere)
13) YU-NO (amazing route system, good story and characters)
12) Higurashi When They Cry + Kai (amazing story, great characters and soundtrack)
11) Dies Irae (favorite fight scenes, entertaining characters and story)
10) Umineko When They Cry + Chiru (favorite story, favorite soundtrack, great characters)
9) Wonderful Everyday (great story, good mystery, good characters, great alternate endings, favorite monologues)
8. The House in Fata Morgana (amazing story, favorite CG and character art, good choice-making, great soundtrack)
7) Tsukihime (amazing choice-making, amazing atmosphere, great characters)
6) MajiKoi (favorite overall character cast, most consistently entertaining work in the genre)
5) Little Busters (favorite common route, great true route, favorite post-true end content)
4) Ever17 (great story, favorite multiple route mystery, great true ending)
3) Steins;Gate (great story, entertaining characters, favorite protagonist, favorite pairing, favorite ending)
2) Fate/Stay Night (great story, favorite ending system, favorite route, favorite single choice)
1) Clannad (favorite route system, high amount of optional scenes, great After Story, fully explores choice-making in a school drama setting)

Addendum: Highest rated VNs that i didn't read (non-bayesian, 20 votes minimum)

White Album 2
Baldr Sky
Great Ace Attorney 2
Taishou Mebiusline
Flowers Automne/Hiver Volumes
Soukou Akki Muramasa
Rance X
Ken ga Kimi
Sakura no Uta
Sakura Wars 3
Koshotengai no Hashihime
Shinigami to Shoujo
Hana Awase
Sengoku Koihime
We Without Wings
Monmusu Quest Paradox
Aiyoku no Eustia


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