So Pre-orders have come to this...

[InvictusCobra]

I an in awe... When you thought Ubisoft had outdone everyone when it came to pre-order bonuses with Watchdogs, Square Enix decides to pull this... this... thing. Great.

 

 

 

Here are two different reflections on it.

[Nosebleed]

Give us money to preorder something you don't know will be good for the possibility of unlocking more things to spend even more money on.

GG Square Enix.

And I thought Konami's retarded microtransactions in MGS V were bad...

[Down]

 

Give us money to preorder something you don't know will be good for the possibility of unlocking more things to spend even more money on.

Combining typical Kickstarter mechanisms with DLCs and microtransactions? I think they're really following the trend of times. I guess those really are the new business models.

[Flutterz]

What we need next is to combine this system with early access so that they can release unfinished games with no reprecu-

Oh, right.

[sarkasmus]

The problem is, it works.

If the people were smart enough not to support this it they wouldn't do things like that.

[Soulless Watcher]

I don't understand what everyone is upset about, we can resolve this problem easily. We just need to eliminate the root of the problem..... that's right kill every single person on the planet. Than we don't have to worry about people making bad choices that will harm themselves in the long run, cause they will be dead.

[Shikomizue]

 

I don't understand what everyone is upset about, we can resolve this problem easily. We just need to eliminate the root of the problem..... that's right kill every single person on the planet. Than we don't have to worry about people making bad choices that will harm themselves in the long run, cause they will be dead.

 

[Soulless Watcher]

I think you just might be missing the point of this discussion...

[Kaguya]

Seems fine to me. Pretty nice idea. 

Is something supposed to be wrong with it?

[greenshadow622]

... I for one, have no brain, and think this is an excellent idea! =D

[Kaguya]

Give us money to preorder something you don't know will be good for the possibility of unlocking more things to spend even more money on.

 

Isn't that a problem with all preorders, though? Spending money on something you don't know will be good.

The tier thingy serves to get them some extra publicity and it appeals to people who actually want the extra customizable goods.

I don't know about the game's release date, but I think they're doing this to see how much they should make in the first place. Much better to the company than just offering everything and having the risk of people not buying it in the first place. If the response is good enough, than they can also make more than they originally planned for.

 

Honestly, seems like a win-win situation to me. If you're offering pre-order DLC, you might as well do it like this. Don't get why more companies don't do it.

[Nosebleed]

Because it's really anti consumer, I thought that much was obvious.

Creating more and more obvious have and have not situations within games just serves to divide ppeople, no matter how small these customizable goods are, no matter how optional everything is, the fact of the matter is it still creates pressure on the consumer for the sake of milking some extra bucks out of people, and that's pretty disgusting from a consumer standpoint.

[Soulless Watcher]

Isn't that a problem with all preorders, though? Spending money on something you don't know will be good.

The tier thingy serves to get them some extra publicity and it appeals to people who actually want the extra customizable goods.

I don't know about the game's release date, but I think they're doing this to see how much they should make in the first place. Much better to the company than just offering everything and having the risk of people not buying it in the first place. If the response is good enough, than they can also make more than they originally planned for.

 

Honestly, seems like a win-win situation to me. If you're offering pre-order DLC, you might as well do it like this. Don't get why more companies don't do it.

Well, my good man you have set off many flags on my no-interaction list. This qualifies you for my personal "ignore opinion" service, this means that I will completely ignore your opionions on the subject matter as long as you completely ignore mine. This means less of a headache for both parties that would occur from arguing our respective viewpoints. It is nothing personal, it is just that human beings are biologicaly and psychologicaly unable to change opinions on topics that are near and dear to their heart. So, any converstation among polar opposite opinions is not only pointless... but counterproductive.

[Kaguya]

Well, my good man you have set off many flags on my no-interaction list. This qualifies you for my personal "ignore opinion" service, this means that I will completely ignore your opionions on the subject matter as long as you completely ignore mine. This means less of a headache for both parties that would occur from arguing our respective viewpoints. It is nothing personal, it is just that human beings are biologicaly and psychologicaly unable to change opinions on topics that are near and dear to their heart. So, any converstation among polar opposite opinions is not only pointless... but counterproductive.

 

 

Also, I think you don't know what "customizable goods" mean in this context.

 

Eh, I don't really care about the subject- my opinion could be easily changed. It's not like I'll ever buy this type of game to begin with. 

 

 

It's extra content that the people who pre-order get to choose from when they do, with extra content being unlocked in new pre-order tiers that only appear if enough people pre-order the previous tier, right?  

There is the possibility I don't get exactly what's going on- didn't watch the video and won't bother enough to look at the pre-order. If I did misunderstand something, then I guess that's that and I'd like to hear what's the problem with this. 

[Zenophilious]

Wow.  This is absolutely disgusting.  Wasn't gonna pre-order in the first place, but I may just boycott the game entirely.  I used to think that normal pre-order bonuses and retailer exclusive content was bad, but this just takes it to a whole new level.  I doubt even EA had wet dreams about getting away with this crap.

[Nosebleed]

Preorders themselves are already one of the most despicable practices in modern gaming.

This one takes the cake because not only do you need a specific amount of people to preorder something in order to unlock more bonuses that you need to pay even more for, you can't even get everything even if you wanted to because you need to chose among certain bonuses, including stuff like retail exclusive deals.

Not only that, there's already an extra mission made for the game that only people who preorder, without knowing if the game is any good, will get to play.

The consumer is always losing on this deal and I'm not sure how you see this as a win win. You should really watch TB's video, he explains pretty nicely why this is the most anti consumer campaign in recent memory.

This campaign is essentially telling people they're never going to get everything in the game, even if they preorder.

And of course the people who don't preorder are left even more in the dust with incomplete game content.

And even worse, the game could be utter shit, which mens literally everybody loses.

[Deep Blue]

I think pre-orders are fine when they give you a discount (most of the time 20%) anything else is a waste of money, why should anyone paid upfront without any benefit? You are giving away your money for nothing.

[monkeysrumble]

I'm usually a pretty big fan of collector's editions and the such but this...this is just too far. I doubt I even need to write why it is as you can just read everyone else's comments.

 

I'm not 100% against pre-ordering but I do have rules for it.

 

1) Make sure you can put a $5 deposit down instead of paying full price.

2) Do your research on the game.

3) Make sure you can change your deposit to a different game or get your deposit back if the game looks like it won't pan out.

 

I feel pretty lucky that my local game store allows me to do deposits, it's much better then paying full price before the game comes out. I'm also kind of a sucker for merchandise like posters and shit, couldn't give a fuck about DLC and I fucking hate what people are doing with it.

 

If anyone wants to express their anger at me for doing deposits I don't mind but please keep personal insults at a minimum. 

[Nimbus]

Dammit Square Enix, you were starting to look good and then you do this.

And people wonder why I'm so cynical. 

[TheFantasm]

Didn't expect this from SE.. Pretty damn scummy of them.

[Kaguya]

Preorders themselves are already one of the most despicable practices in modern gaming.

This one takes the cake because not only do you need a specific amount of people to preorder something in order to unlock more bonuses that you need to pay even more for, you can't even get everything even if you wanted to because you need to chose among certain bonuses, including stuff like retail exclusive deals.

Not only that, there's already an extra mission made for the game that only people who preorder, without knowing if the game is any good, will get to play.

The consumer is always losing on this deal and I'm not sure how you see this as a win win. You should really watch TB's video, he explains pretty nicely why this is the most anti consumer campaign in recent memory.

This campaign is essentially telling people they're never going to get everything in the game, even if they preorder.

And of course the people who don't preorder are left even more in the dust with incomplete game content.

And even worse, the game could be utter shit, which mens literally everybody loses.

 

But isn't the purpose of a company to get money in the first place? Doing that while minimizing risk seems like a great idea. Specially if you plan on making an extravagant pre-order campaign- just as an example, what if you pour several hundred thousand bucks into a campaign and it fails? 

Doing this ensures the pre-order campaign will be just enough for how many people pre-ordered it. 

 

The only part that I see as questionable from the company is not having a pre-order option where you get all available content. That's a bit weird- I don't see why they're not offering it. Completionists might feel a little bit upset with that, I guess. 

 

Still, this whole thing just feels to me like a bunch of grown men complaining about the most superficial, stupid shit I've seen this year. No idea how you guys can muster such a reaction from this. 

I can't see it as anything other than "OMG, people who are paying more and beforehand are getting extras!!! WTF is this company doing, offering an incentive so that people will put more money and do so before the game comes out???? Literally Satan." 

 

Seems like you're asking the company to take significant risk just to get their customers slightly more comfortable with the pre-order, which is optional. This level of entitlement makes me baffled.

Some of the raging I'm seeing in this thread makes it seem like they're killing impaired african babies to get more money.  "gone too far." "absolutely disgusting". What the hell. 

From what I've seen, all the extra content so far is stupid anyway. OMG, playing the game 4 days before other people? Not even hitler would do that, amirite?

but wait, there's clothing and 1 extra mission! Gee, I guess their evil knows no end. 

 

I'll add that If this is supposed to be a highly competitive game and the pre-order content is ridiculously overpowered than I get it- it's a problem that affects game balance. Fine. I don't think it is but I don't know- maybe this is supposed to be an esport or something. In that case, I see the complaints as valid. 

[kyrt]

I pre-ordered metal gear V (The End of a Series), fallout 4, witcher 3 dlc, Tales of Zestiria (the incentive here is tales of symphonia for free which while it won't make this goal is a neat one...was planning to buy it anyway to support more rpgs on steam (tales of berseria in the future hopefully), will pre-order Persona 5, will pre-order XCOM2, will pre-order Seinarukana, will pre-order Sumaga, and will pre-order Fire Emblem IF regardless of pre-order bonuses. I pre-order simply so that I don't have to worry about having to take money and pay for it later. I could care less about pre-order bonuses these are all series that I like and will be buying regardless of what people say about them. These are series I've been a fan of and they haven't steered me wrong yet. That said I hate pre-order bonuses and after these games I'm done supporting any games that do them. 

 

I can't wait to see all the people planning to pre-order and then cancel their pre-order later down the road. This tier way of doing pre-orders are sickening (not that they are not already). This really irks me and yet I saw this coming just like I see AAA games moving to kickstarter within the next 5 or so years. This is my greatest fear that this type of pre-ordering may implement. 

 

I'll be honest if you want to pre-order a game go ahead no one will stop you hell I said I plan to above. We have reasons not to as well as reasons to and if on steam at least you now have the steam refund policy which should hopefully prevent shoddy ports. Honestly I'm more worried for the type of bullshit that will occur in the future because of this...pre-order now for this exclusive chapter 2.5 (story) of such and such a game. I'd be worried about it. Game companies have already gotten used to cutting content out of games to sell them as dlc this just means they'll cut even more stuff out and offer it as pre-order bonuses when we previously would have gotten the items in game. Might just be a cynic but I highly doubt they would release 'completely new content' and not just go the easy way of 'cutting out content' for resell and pre-order bonuses. 

[Nosebleed]

I don't think you fully grasp the problem, Kaguya.

It's not that we don't understand the idea that "paying for more = getting more", it's that companies already state they have extra in game content ready, not purely aesthetic content mind you, solely for those who preorder, which means they are telling the consumer straight up that if they don't put themselves at risk and preorder something, they will always get an incomplete product, even though they are paying full retail price for the game.

I understand physical stuff like posters and artbooks, but ingame content that's preorder exclusive is a really annoying form of consumer pressure, it's as underhanded as you can get.

This tier system makes it even worse, by telling you even if you preorder, you can not physically get the full game. That's utterly retarded on every level.

I'm not even going to address the "a company is making money, isn't that the point" argument because obviously this is being discussed from a consumer standpoint, not a company one.

But I will say this, if you're constantly fighting your consumers for the sake of greed, eventually it'll bite you in the ass when you go too far.

Square Enix is making a very anti consumer move and I really question whether or not it'll be good for them in the long run.

If you are seriously okay with accepting the fact that, if you're a fan of this game, you are physically unable to get a complete version of it, then I don't really know what else to say.

[Kaguya]

Sure, I'll give you that being unable to get all content is weird. I said that already. I'd personally go for an option where you spend more money and get everything, but this just feels like a problem only people with severe OCD would have. 

 

If they have all the content ready, then having locked tiers is purely a move to get publicity from the customers, huh. Makes it a little bit worse from the company viewpoint, since you made everything already. They'd be better off making the content together relative to the success of the pre-order while giving it a Blizzard-like release time, if they're going to go with the locked tier route. Then again, I'm no business expert. Maybe this will give them more profit. 

 

I don't think it'll come back to bite them. People on the interwebs overreact and forget what was the problem one week later. All they'll do is create some rage on reddit, lol. 

 

I knew the content wasn't purely cosmetical from the beginning. I imagined people getting some nice extra weapons or something along those lines. Still don't see the problem. 

 

I'm no gamer, though. Can't see this as anything other than entitled adults behaving like raging babies because they won't have all the cool content that doesn't even seem all that relevant to begin with, all the while trying to make this seem like a huge issue.

[sarkasmus]

Sure, I'll give you that being unable to get all content is weird. I said that already. I'd personally go for an option where you spend more money and get everything, but this just feels like a problem only people with severe OCD would have. 

 

If they have all the content ready, then having locked tiers is purely a move to get publicity from the customers, huh. Makes it a little bit worse from the company viewpoint, since you made everything already. They'd be better off making the content together relative to the success of the pre-order while giving it a Blizzard-like release time, if they're going to go with the locked tier route. Then again, I'm no business expert. Maybe this will give them more profit. 

 

I don't think it'll come back to bite them. People on the interwebs overreact and forget what was the problem one week later. All they'll do is create some rage on reddit, lol. 

 

I knew the content wasn't purely cosmetical from the beginning. I imagined people getting some nice extra weapons or something along those lines. Still don't see the problem. 

 

I'm no gamer, though. Can't see this as anything other than entitled adults behaving like raging babies because they won't have all the cool content that doesn't even seem all that relevant to begin with. 

 

It's not just weapons and other equipment, a whole Story-DLC is part of it.

 

Which is at least for me the main issue Story-DLCs which already exist t release are bad enough but offering those exclusive to preorderers and only if they either buy the CE or via that tier system means you can't even get the full story if you don't preorder.

 

To compare it to something else:

imagine you buy a car but you get it without, for example, doors if you don't buy it when before you even know how many seats or PS it has or even which colour and only if enough other people buy the same car and you can't add them later. do you get it now?