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About your first statement, i'm sorry but it's wrong. Sexuality was still repressed in every bit of society at this period if you compare it to today standards; repression here has to be understood as a general background, general cultural standards and such; women had an harder time than men because women were considered inferior to men in every aspect. There was more indulgence toward men, but it doesn't change the fact that sexuality in itself was repressed and restricted (e.g. stupid things like the fact couples were advised to not have too much sexual relations in a week). You mention middle age in several of your posts, whereas what's talked about don't enter into this period. For example restoration period started in 1660, which is not historically middle age at all. I don't see also the point in insisting about background about lawlessness of Europe, because it is also not directly related to the subject. I know people of these periods discarded religious teachings, but it doesn't change the fact that society as a whole was influenced by these very teachings. Society and moral at the time was very dictated by religious principles. The fact people didn't always conform to them is unrelated to the standards of these periods, because after all, people are still people, you cannot so easily kick some natural behaviour out of human nature even if you solely declare this or this is wrong or not. So of course people in every period and even in middle age were very likely not limiting themselves to one 'authorized' position! All the Sexual positions we can see today are as old as humanity can get, but officially if they deviated from the official "teachings" they were still seen as wrong. There are some sexual practices are seen as perfectly common today, but were considred taboo or just wrong at these periods. It's not about the individual people, but the culture and general views of the time. As a side note, For what i've read, i agree that it appears that there was a big contradiction between how you should ideally act 'stay chaste until mariage' and such, whereas prostitution was accepted. However, it appears to mainly concern middle age (views about matters like that vary a lot depending the period), so i don't know what you are getting at about it; by using words such as 'sex crimes'. It always existed in history, and like i said, prostitution may be illegal in some places but may be legal in others despite places like brothels may be illegal. Which is pure hypocrisy too. Also change prostitution for 'escort girls' and such and you have exactly the same thing with a different name. People were not more 'debauched' earlier than today, but now sexuality is much more liberated. Victorial morals are not what contributed to this, and it's rather the contrary, victorial morals are still at the origin of many problem related to prudery toward sex, nudity and such. Those victorian morals also influenced japan in such a way that they created contradictory laws influencing and contradicting their own original views about sex. what you talk about regarding the servant cases, were abusive practices dating of this day not only related to the fact the servant were women, but also the fact they were poor. If you were a servant back to the old times, people considered that you deserved it, nature wanted it, and that you were of intrisically inferior extraction. In short, you were an inferior human being than those of higher birth and should respect and abide to those of superior social statute than you. Chastity belt are real. You are right, they were maybe not especially created by victorians, their first design may have existed earlier, drawings depicting these devices existed at earlier periods. After documenting myself, i learned the myth about chastity belts is that there were used starting from the middle age to prevent people to have sex, which is probably innacurate. But even if Victorians were not the ones first creating it's original design, they were the ones greatly influencing it's purpose and at the origin of it's use later in history. By Victorian moral virtues, chastity belts were designed mainly to prevent masturbation. Medical reports describe the prescription of chastity belts (or similar devices, which might have no resemblance at all with a chastity belt) to prevent youngsters (of both sexes) from masturbating which in the 19th Century was thought to be wrong in every aspect. That fact that people still had sexual practices (you cannot stop people to refrain themselves from a perfectly natural behaviour) condemned at the time doesn't make the period less restricted toward sex relating to today. I don't know how you can say that.

By the way, my point was that i didn't do anything which actually justified a chat ban, and my previous actions on forum are completely unrelated to this matter. It was not really about lashing a moderator after all, but rather pointing out that the decision here was not really justified and not objective. Tbh, i don't really need you to tell me about the fact that if some users don't like me, then a moderator can't do anything about that, but contrary to a 'simple user', a moderator should normally be encouraged to be more objective, and should try to stay impartial in their decisions.

Law and order were different at the time than today, but it doesn't change the fact sexuality was heavily repressed at these periods...a lot of the sexual behaviours and views about sex today will be for sure considered as debauchery or debauched behaviour back in the time...when you say that todays's moral were influenced by the victorian, it is certainly true to a certain extent, but today's morals have also detached a lot from these principles, actually thankfully, a lot of today standards since sexual liberation and the lessening of religious influence over sex were made to break the strict moral codes and repressed views of these victorian morals. There's a reason why some researchers and scholar call today Victorian period as a poisonous period for personnal freedom and liberty. Also this view comes from a 'english related country' perspective, people coming from other parts of europe or the world didn't get influenced as much as american and english by these Victorian morals. i don't know what exactly your point is, especially by mixing a lot of unrelated things together like night insecurity into middle age an such, but the fact that public sex wasn't uncommon in the past, doesn't mean that they were more 'debauched' than today. if you talk about prostitution and places such as brothels and such, they are still existing today, but now it's mainly hypocrisy, because even if these places exist in the west, now you can't refer them as such. It has become illegal in many countries, whereas prositution can be still legal, and instead of calling them brothels, you call them by 'massage parlors', or other names, prostitution has become 'escort girls' whereas they still are the exact same thing. As a difference, in Japan, these places are perfectly fine, and are by no mean rare, there is litterally one tokyo district, kabukicho, which is renowned for places like that. I think brothels, and places made illegal is a pointless thing, because that will not stop them to exist, and like you said they exist since roman times. When i talk about 'authorized' positions, it was about religion which had obviously a very strong influence. Victorian morals were heavily tied with them. Basically that was which defined good morals than bad ones. Of course nobody could be punished for a crime of not having a 'correct' position at the time, but if they could, they wouldn't not have prived themselves to do so. Actually that's why at the time of victorian morals, a lot of people designed objects like the chastety belts in linked in my previous post, in order to guarantee people were conforming to 'adequate' moral standards such as limited sexual behaviour, and prevent them to do 'horrendous things' like masturbating.

Seriously, Euphoria has very strong emphasis on H content...you can't deny it's a game you are not only playing for the story but also (let's say it) to choke you chicken. Tbh, the story may seems interesting but i'm not sure it would have the same impact if you remove the h from it. there is suspense and background into the game, but i think it's rather the general atmosphere and characters which make people say that it's not only 'porn'. But by the way it is designed with varied fetishes in it, and the way the story is made, you cannot deny the fact you cannot play solely this game for the story... Also, i think that because a game has a lot of H scenes, doesn't mean that it couldn't have a great story, good characters and such. I think that the fact that visual novel can mix the two (sex and story) is what constitute it's charm, because having the time to know the characters and being involved with the protagonist makes things a lot more erotic for a lot of people...basically a lot of moege purpose are about 'catching' up the girls and finally have sex with them.

The contradiction is, that in that case it would be a lot more easier to tackle H scenes, because the translation could be seen as simplier, and not the reverse right? And yes it does vary, but then it depends of the scenes in question...japanese is a language with a very extensive register to express erotical and sexual situations... Well what these people said about debauchery was very probably something which would be considered as perfectly common occurences in our today world... and also it was already influenced by the way sexuality was already diabolized in western countries upon this time: restoration ruler was considered a womanizer, because he had several mistresses at the time, and his court too, but yet it was not really something uncommon at the time and even if they didn't claim it, a lot of monarchs were in that case. as a contrast, countries like japan at the time had the Emperor having official concubines and mistress and as such it was not considered a licencious behaviour... also what they says as unhealthy is probably not the behaviour in themselves, but the general poor hygienic conditions of the time, and of course contraception was inexistant at this period... sexuality was already heavily repressed at the time even before the advent of victorian morals. Sex was not seen as something which should be considered pleasurable, it had to be done through mariage only, and only one sexual position was 'allowed' and all the other ones were considered wrong and condemnable. For what i heard restoration came up as a period of a little more sexual liberty but it was still probably very very far of today standards...in general Europe was very prude about sex, but i don't think there were worst ones that the englishmen of the time...they were the ones coming up with such inventions as these ones...http://cdn1.historybuff.com/images/2015/10/26102226/Chastity_belt_Heyser_0-1024x963.png Btw, i'm not even a 'yank' but i do know a lot of the puritans were among the first immigrant to settle into american soil...so a considerable part of american people could have come from these guys... And to come back to the topic, i also do not understand why they can't allow H content in steam whereas games like gta and others are perfectly fine...like i said, there is a huge demand for eroge there and the likes as Sakura series are only popular because a lot of people don't know there are much better games in this regard...if H content was allowed on steam, then it would be a win-win situation for both companies and players, it would multiply distributors revenues and provide people with what they want...the only ones who will be unhappy will probably be previously mentionned game developpers, because they would have to work a lot harder to bring audience to them if games with superior content quality were allowed on steam. I'm pretty sure the sales figures would be a lot more different

What do you mean? I think sex scenes expressions vary a lot in vn. If you talk about tropes like 'onichan kimochi ii' and such, then they don't happen all the time Why translating H scene sucks? Because it can be simplier to translate it can be easier i think and can be fun. Not related, but i think positions in porn are not unnatural but they use various camera angles to display the action: i think in vn you can do the same and try different approachs to translate the scenes.

If these topics appear there time to time, it's because there's actual concerns related to it. It should be permitted to be talked about freely and if you lock the topic whereas there's nothing wrong in it, then it confirm the fact that a lot of people are very sensitive or insecure about the subject. I have already seen that this thing was real because while reading posts here and in another places, i often see people like translators who says they want to translate some games, but that when they display a lot of H scenes, they dislike it and suddenly it becames a no go. I have seen people say that about the translation of vn like Majikoi S and such. Majikoi scenes might not be the best in vn, but they are still an integral part of the game. So the op point is pretty much valid and it can be seen even in Vn communities

Japanese can seem prudish about sex, but they are actually not, or were actually not. (At least lot less than western countries at the time). In Japan there's this thing about Public face and Private face concept (omote/ura). Japan is still a nation who celebrates fertility and other things related to sex through festivals displaying giant erects penis and such. Because in Shinto/bhudism, originally sex was just seen as something completely part of life, pleasurable and which could be celebrated . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanamara_Matsuri or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hōnen_Matsuri These things don't exist in Western countries, and i think some people will get offended if it happened. Whereas in Japan it shocks nobody. Also in the past, i heard Japanese were even displaying shunga and erotic pictures sometimes in their own house, and also that they were used as luck charms by people going to war and such. But since the introduction of 'western' standards' through Japan, it has introduced a contradiction with these former traditionnal values. But they can't supress these things because they were once integral part of their culture. There are also things like public baths which were once not separated by sex at all, these ones were encouraged to disappear to not shock the western sensibilities of the time, but even up to this day they still exists. It's also probably the reason Japan is one of the only asian countries were porn is legal though censored, in other countries like China, Korea, Thailand ect, Porn is absolutely forbidden. Problem with Japanese culture is that they have this 'it can't be helped' stance about things even when they are bothering them. For example many Japanese would like sex censorship to disappear, but they will not push their governement about it. A single politician will very unlikely repell the law because people will mock him and use this to decribilise him. They prefer to an exterior occurance happens then they can justify the decision of getting rid of it. If you look into japanese boards like 4ch, there's people who hope some vn and anime get licensed in foreign country rather than send complains to the governement about supressing the law. There are also people using the law at their advantage for distributing 'illegal' uncensored content (ura douga), of normally censored porn videos, this market is big in japan and is highly related to Yakuza protection and such. It's an extremely lucrative market which can earn millions to the people who do it. Like in this article in which they can make profits up to 130 million yen only with online dvd sales (approximatively 1,3 million dollars). http://www.japantoday.com/category/crime/view/illegal-mosaic-free-porn-business-busted I hope one day Japanese will repell this law. Unfortunately i think it's unlikely because i don't think the people concerned will want to publicly advocate against it. For South korea case in the OP, it might be related to the fact porn in Korea is illegal.

The subject is a true one. It's an actual thing and it should be able to be discussed in a free way. If people are unwilling to talk about this, it confirms the facts people shows insecurities toward this subject. I have never understood why steam doesn't allow full eroge on their website whereas they have games like Sakura spirit, which are popular only because the people playing them problably don't know there are games with content 1 million time better erotically wise. But despite all of this, Japan also have a problem, because what is exactly the point of censoring specific parts in H content and scenes when everyone pretty much knows what is hapenning? It's not like the mosaics they apply on games are making it less lewd and suitable for everyone. If it really wanted to have a purpose, then it would not be an half assed measure like that, and everthing would be hidden. But here you just hide it enough to bother people and not enough to not make the content "obscene". There are many obscure reasons about this, I don't know why they couldn't have come with light censors like the ones in manga for example. Ittaku nailed it. Japan didn't have censorship originally. It can be seen in works made into Meiji era and even later, like Shunga painting by artists like Hokusai. There's a famous one with an octopus which some people think is the first occurence of tentacles into a depiction of sex scenes. I heard that Japan laws were made by pressure of the western countries heavily influenced by Victorian morals and prudery at the time, who thought Japan was an uncivilised country because of all this sex imagery available. So the Japanese governement tried to ban it in order to make look themselves "respectable" into Westerner eyes. If the West had not this views about sex and America didn't have obscenity laws, then Japan wouldn't have any censorship today. Japanese people are as annoyed as people in the west probably are, but since it has become something longtime applied, through time, they have resigned against it and just see it like something which cannot be helped. But problem is that this censorship influence didn't disappear and can be shown on non h releases today. There are stories about console games censored in Japan like this: http://forums.mmorpg.com/discussion/448424/japanese-gamers-outraged-at-western-sjw-censorship It is sad. But if one day things like this become common, then Japanese once again will start to think the same way that they do about censorship of obscene content: 'it cannot be helped, it's better than nothing'. Because in it's essence it's exactly the same thing that happened for obscenity law: self censorship to not offend and please views of people outside Japan.

The problem is when you got boot for no objective reason. Whereas others are just fine for the same things. I don't think what i've done is this bad, and i am sure a lot of people there have a lot worse history than mine and are perfectly fine. But i am a new user, and i'm not so naive to not know there is a tendency to have strong positive bias and indulgence toward older members in forum communities. And that's a pity.

(Long post incoming) Thank you for your answer. But the points you made up are exactly why i say it's unfair. I will explain you why. It will give me the occasion to express myself about them. For starters, i say you are biased because many times you are not taking in account exactly what happened or how things actually took place, For several reasons: 1- You were not always present when some of the points you quote happened 2-Reports you had about what happened came from one person only (Frogstat or Velo) with me not providing my version 3- You consider my actions whereas some people on the chat just acted in a very similar way. Also you have to consider there were time i was NOT enjoying what others where saying to me. And i have seen many times people having a rude behavior against me or others. But your bias are making judging things objectively a lot difficult because you had already the image of me being a troll before even knowing me. There's no need to deny it. I dislike to do that but since it was done i would have to give example in detail from a specific episode which took places 2 or 3 days ago: there was when a newcomer who came up into the chan and asked if people knew about where downloading a game (he made a topic in the forum as well): sure fuwanovel is not specifically the place to ask for these things, but i still remember very well Velo was here and that he said to him to "go away" (exact words). Which was rude. There were other way to say that he was not looking at the right place. The newcomer just leaved the room after that. and you weren't on chatroom to know this happened. Now i will explain things in detail concerning the three examples you took. I don't like the way things are turning but guess it can't be helped. The starting of this was actually frogstat saying to me in japanese "dame da koitsu". The way it came out was clearly not a joke. I say back what you just said: he doesn't knows me. Sure there are some members on fuwanovel who can actually read japanese but they are still few. So there would have be a chance of me not knowing what he said. But unfortunately since i speak Japanese i understood what he meant, which is very far from being nice. I didn't made derogatory comments about him before, he litterally throwed this at me. Then i responded in the same unrespectfull tone back in japanese. I suggested him to stop using japanese because even if you speak it, there is no point to show it off on an english chat room. He insisted about it that's why i said at some point "stop acting like a weaboo" (those were my exact words). I didn't call him a "filthy weeaboo", i just said he was acting like a weaboo. Because he was rude with me in the first place. It's not the same thing. And several times he made bad comments about me just like saying me to speak "like an human" and such. But i guess your perspective about this and others are linked to the fact you think i am a troll given my past. It would have been different with another person. Seriously, i'm staying calm but you don't know how biased you are with your last statement. Basically, the 'countless affair' you are talking about was me saying something and velo being argumentative about it. And it's funny that you talk about it because i don't perceive it being done in a nice way, but rather like you said above in a 'mean' and condescending way. And he had been like this with other users as well which just ignore him for that. (I know you ignore him too most of the times because you admitted it). If Velo was not trying to turns things into an arguing war, then things would be much cooler. And i repeat it, but i am not the only one who probably has this opinion. Yes i would like the chatroom to be a friendly place, but you yourself know that velo there is another matter . You know that he likes to argue for nothing, for 'fun', nitpicking about anything about some users, and making arguments just for the sake of making arguments. And that is a fact he himself admitted. You can't deny that because i know what you think about him. Moreover, in the yesterday conversation, i just wanted to STOP the pseudo debate because it would lead nowhere, the problem is that velo is very serious and obsessed about debating. and that's why i made a unrelated shit post statement about 'primitive'. You cannot say in all honesly that this word is an insult, given what the word is, it was a tiny poke related to the fact he has a dinosaur as an avatar, and nickname, made to 'stop' this useless debate. But you know that. Either, Velo called me names in japanese at some point, that i was not even human or below human, that he would have more interest to speak to more intelligent people and other 'nice' words. Of course i didn't screen capture them, but if you have access to the log and actually check all the conversation, you will see that. Now if you say chat is a friendly place, then it's not normal some users launching arguments and such and keeping going to use them like velo are perfectly fine whereas i get reproachs from you. I know the answer is the same; you have strong bias against myself. So sorry Kurisu to say it to you, but what you mention in the middle part of the quote is not true. I never called him names in an insulting tone (expect if on more time you seriously consider primitive to be offensive, which is a a bit exagerrated comparatively to the way he was making up arguments and some words he said to me). Up to yesterday i never even made one comment about velo himself, but just criticized his opinions and arguments. What you say about chat is false too: the only time i had private chat with him was with my principal account and not the Aei one i was using now. Basically the ONLY time i had a private chat with velo was from the screen capture he provided, which was more than 1 month ago. Like i said, this took place after the decision and i reacted like this because i was disgusted by it because it's unfair. But i was rude and acting like an idiot there, and i am sorry about what happened. It was completely unneeded. I didn't want to achieve anything i was angry. And tbh Turkish is not even my native language. I used online reference and google translator for it. I was angry and acted stupidly, that's pretty much it. As such, the three examples are illustrating the core of the problem and the unfairness of the decision. I hope you understand better how i feel with me explaining you things from my perspective. I know it will sound strange and some will probably say "come one he is just saying bullshit" but i actually dislike arguing and things like that but when things like that happen if one of the party in question is not willing to stop, it's pretty hard to not continue. That's why most of the time i was in the chan i talked lighty about random things in a jokingly way. I know i had a bad behaviour with my trolling on the forum, when i made false arguments with a point of view with is not mine, but it was one mistake, and i didn't want to act like this anymore after getting ban one time by kaguya from the forum. Finally, just for the record, my very first participation to the forum was a constructive one: i created a topic asking about behind scenes work regarding cgs in western releases. A Mangagamer member himself posted in the topic to answer to the question, which was about something many users didn't know. Far from being a troll, it was from several months ago, you can check my profile if you don't remember about it; and the reason i mention it is, that it shows that i didn't have bad intentions when joining fuwanovel originally. I did mistakes later and was punished for them, but i didn't in the chatroom with my other account Aei. Your decision and the way you considered me was already biased from there.

First, Kurisu-Chan i have nothing against you. I apologize for my earlier behaviour, it was rude and unneeded. But i reacted this way because the decision you made was unfair. I was allowed to stay on chatroom with my alternative account because exactly i wasn't trolling. When i say about you being biased against me, it's something pretty obvious, because many times you were interpretating my words like i was intending to troll whereas i was just talking as others chat users do. I also had some interesting discussion with you present on the chatroom (do you remember i took part to a conversation related to guns where i agreed with you?). I didn't made up false statements, or picked up random fights just for the sake of it in the chatroom. I know i will look ridiculous for saying that but i wanted to act normally and redeem myself from what i had done with this account on forum. I'm not disrespectfull against you, i am just saying what i think about it: it was pretty unfair and motivated by your bias against me. Then if there was a valid motivation, i would appreciate if you could explain it.

It was my first time with THIS account and not the one i was banned after which is Aei. When i say i didn't troll i speak about my alternative account and not my principal one. I didn't troll in chat because i was taking part to the chat as Aei, not Eai. And the episode from the screen capture was prior my troll on the forum. You know that? If i wouldn't have said to Kaguya that i was trolling in the topics i wouldn't have been banned. But yet i wanted to say it because i felt bad because the opinions expressed on the topic were completely false on my part.

i will be honest, yes i made 'trolling' on the forum with this main account on specific topics. The point of views i expressed on the closed topics were false. And yes i was already punished for this behaviour and suspended from the forums. Aei was an alternative account i created with which i was entering the chatroom. However, what i wasn't doing is 'trolling hard on the chat' with this alternative nickname...i just acted like a regular user here until the decision. Kurisu had strong bias against me from the start and banned me without a valid reason. Basically on chat i was doing things other users were doing, the only problem is that because it was me then it suddenly became problematic. I did a mistake on the forum i got a punishment for that, yet i still get punished on the chatroom whereas i'm not doing something wrong. This is what is unfair and that i find disgusting. The problem with the decision is that it was motivated by bias against myself and not actual facts= i did false statements on the forum, i said that i was trolling to one admin then i got banned, it's unfair that when i am not trolling and just taking part to not so meaningless conversations or not on the chatroom, i do things similar that other users and yet because it's me it becomes a problem...also i didn't try to resolve the issue because i felt my punishment was deserved.

The most ankward thing is to get accused of trolling for no reasons because the moderator in question just thinks you are, so the claims becomes the proof itself. I was disappointed to see how people are simple minded and not able to let their personnal bias not interfere with their own judgement. Being a moderator just makes it worse.